omega 3

claim:

In August 2003, researchers in London report that Omega-3 EFAs produce two powerful natural appetite suppressants when taken in fairly large doses (2 capsules, 3 times per day before meals). The appetite suppressant hormones, known as cholecystokinin (CCK) and PYY are both released in the upper part of the small intestines when Omega-3 fat is consumed, helping patients to eat around one-third less calories. This appetite-suppressant effect lasted a full 12 hours.


True or False?


Dosing for fish-oil supplements should be based on the amount of DHA and EPA, not the amount of fish oil. A typical capsule contains .18 g or 180 mg of EPA and .12 g or 120 mg of DHA, according to the University of Maryland Medical Center. NIH states that some research suggests that 6 g daily of a specific fish oil supplement, providing 260 mg of DHA per gram and 60 mg EPA per gram, significantly decreases body fat when combined with exercise.

6 gm/ day again

How do you feel Satiation?

Satiation is the process that ends an eating episode. It controls the meal size and duration.Satiety, on the other hand, is a state of non-hunger and controls subsequent hunger and food intake.

In my searching, I came across the above definition satiation. OK. It makes no sence to me. I have never felt anything but gluttoney,  a desire for more. Do "normal" people actually feel satiation, or is this just another concept? I need to stop after I finish my plate. I do not feel what is described as satiation.

Deprived state of mind

Going through life, thinking that a your diet that deprives you of cake, sugar, wheat would be a tough think indeed.  Going through life knowing these are low grade poisons, and should not be in the food supply, along with trans-fats, lubricants, alcohol, and the like makes some editable products akin to Russian roulette.  No temptation to consume these. End of story. I do not want to eat traces paint thinner either (seed oils), so fast food is out.

No deprivation thinking either. It is all just chemicals. Just avoid the chemicals as best we can.

Ref: http://tesspaleojourney.blogspot.ca/2012/07/i-dont-eat-cake.html
http://www.weightymatters.ca/2012/07/why-i-dont-buy-i-dont-approach-to.html

weight loss cycle

Many people cycle the weight loss diet, go back to eating, gain weight cycle. That will not work unless we are able to go without desired food for extended periods.

Yoni states- " Your best diet is the one that keeps your calories reduced, your hunger at bay, your cravings controlled, and provides you with a regimen that isn’t merely one you can tolerate, but rather one you can honestly enjoy."

What it comes down to is that any diet will work, the trick is staying on that diet long term. Elimination of sugar, flour, wheat, manufactured omega 6 oils, manufactured editable products, which I like to call eatable products, goes a long way. Recognising these foods as poisons, slow acting, removes most of the desire to eat them. 

I am not convinced that cravings are entirely diet induced, or only lack of food induces hunger. Consider how the body reacts to a mild irritation. Does it not dump out a bunch of adrenalin, cortisol and other hormones, and try to deal with the issue fast? When it does, the excess hormones remain? Does it try to digest it fast, and that creates fat, stored energy, just like stress? What of this chronic low grade induced stress created by watching TV, news, whatever, that stimulates us to think? 

Or it all just psychological greed for more? 

Any diet that we can live on that the caloric intake is less than our use will cause weight loss. But some diets are better than others, as Atwater noted something like: "Some of the participants displayed non typical results, and these were ignored, as some error must have occurred." (I cannot lay my hands on the paper now, but it is in the pile somewhere) But was it an error or natural variation? 

While losing weight is more about what we are doing between meals than the meal, as long as we are eating less than we are burning. We need to be more interested in that activity than food, or in a situation which food is not an option, temptation, or even available.

Enjoyment of food is a concept that gets many of us into trouble. We need to consider foods as fuels, not as recreation. Anyone who is put off by food that they do not enjoy does not have a serious weight problem, that is not to say that they may be fat, but if they have the ability to not eat, weight is easily controlled. So Yoni's last statement,  " provides you with a regimen that isn’t merely one you can tolerate, but rather one you can honestly enjoy."  is not for the extremes of the population. We grossly exobese are a self selecting subset of the population, to which standard approaches may not apply. We may need to go to extremes to avoid returning to obesity.

Jimmy Moore is on a Phinney/ Volek regime. (Drs. Jeff Volek and Stephen Phinney, a blood ketone level of between 0.5 and 3.0 mM.)

That may be the only way that I can survive.

added later:
Have you ever heard someone say,"I'd rather enjoy my food and die early than eat healthfully and live long"? (but this was from a @#$& veg*an.)

It may come clear when we looking at the negative of Yoni's opinion.

OMG vs Yoni

From Six Weeks to OMG: Get Skinner Than All Your Friends

 • Cold baths: Cold baths in the morning encourages the body to burn stored fat to stay warm, says Fulton. Taking a cold bath in water that’s between 15-20 degrees Celsius will boost metabolism for 12-15 hours. “It’s literally like being a more active person all day,” he writes.

 • Skip breakfast: Skip breakfast and jumpstart the body into using stored fat. “Move the body when it has little energy floating around it, and energy will have to come from somewhere. Your body fat.”

 • Drink black coffee: Caffeine boosts the central nervous system and on an empty stomach it burns fat more quickly. “Caffeine makes fat cells open up and empty their fat into your bloodstream,” he writes. “From there, fat can be transported to your muscles. Once it arrives at your muscles, they use this liquid fatty fuel to power them.” He suggests up to 200 mg of caffeine (two cups) in the morning and says the effects last for about five hours.

Exercise and move: Don’t get hung up on intensity and duration. Just move. “Moving fast makes you fit, but we’re here for fat. If you move fast, you may burn less calories overall than moving slower and going for longer.” Do exercises that use more muscles because that “equals more calories.” For instance, he suggests walking, rather than skipping, because it uses more muscles. It’s important to move in the morning, and then wait at least three hours before eating because you’ll burn fat during this time.

 • Eat meals, not snacks: Eat three meals a day: mid-day, mid-afternoon and early evening. Meals control a person’s appetite because it releases leptin, which signals to the brain that it’s getting full. Snacking leads to overeating. You only burn fat during long gaps between meals. “All that ‘healthy snack’ stuff you hear” he writes, referring to foods such as dried fruit, nuts, bars, yogourts and fruit, “none of it is healthy between meals.”

 • Juices and smoothies lead to overeating: Even though fruit contains vitamins, minerals and fibre, it’s high in fructose, which “can cause chaos.” Juices and smoothies “are keeping huge waddling crowds of health-conscious people fat,” he writes. “They might be full of nutrients, but there’s no such thing as an innocent smoothie.”

 • Broccoli carbs can be worse than soda carbs: If you want to be skinny, eat less than 120 grams of non-vegetable carbs per day. For some, it makes no difference if they get carbs from a head of broccoli or a can of Coke, says Fulton. It’s the total daily carbs, not the type of carbs, that predict fat loss for some.

Me -- At least Yoni has credentials and his ideas are ok for those without extreme food issues. For some of us, we are just unable to follow his advise. Physiology will overtake philosophy ever time in the end. That is the reason low carb works, it is using physiology to control hunger. All we need to do is keep the carbage out of our bodies. 


http://weightmaven.org/2012/07/18/quote-of-the-day-80/  Beth and Yoni knows what a ideal diet must be ---Your best diet is the one that keeps your calories reduced, your hunger at bay, your cravings controlled, and provides you with a regimen that isn’t merely one you can tolerate, but rather one you can honestly enjoy.

Nanny State or People Lead Occupy Movement / Rebellion

Beth got me thinking again http://weightmaven.org/2012/07/16/if-not-nanny-state-then-what/

If it was good enough for Mohammed, it is good enough for us... but I am not a Moore. Even some undesirable philosophy's have good points for some situations.

Perhaps we need to make a personal choice that we do not need the modern eatable products; become early rejecter of sugar, flours, omega 6 oils and wheat. Just eat real food, and seasonal local fruits.

Perhaps we need to take the time to learn real nutrition facts, and learn to sort "marketing facts" from real "scientific facts", knowing there are good and bad sides to all foods, and make real "science based choices". We can protect ourselves until there is political will to effect real change. First, we must overcome public apathy, and misinformation.

What about those of us who think sugar, flour, wheat, msg, Omega 6 seed oils (chemicals, lubricants, paint thinner), and edible ( or eatable) manufactured products are not real human food? No desire to eat, no deprivation. You people can eat what you want. I will eat real meat and vegetables. Perhaps the odd potato. Real food rebellion or regression to old style eating.

Obesity misinformation

Obesity misinformation is a government conspiracy... well no, they are not that smart or organized, it could be a media...no not likely but possible, but why, or big ag... or big Pharma.... follow the money... or it just happened and we, the low carb community, now need to get militant and straighten out the problem.


The obesity issue benefits the medical industry, the food processing industry and in a general way agriculture industry. We need to eat, but how much.

As summarized by Les, populations are controlled money, media, and might. If we turn the population onto low carb, we need to do this one person at a time by overcoming the media, the wrong information and provide a reason to not eat processed food.


Artificial sweeteners are often pushed as a alternative to sugar, but those are lower calorie but not lifestyle choices.The issue with all carbonated beverages is that ingestion requires calcium to neutralize the acid effect. It must comes from diet or your bones.There is no other choices. Those with potential osteoporosis issues... over 20 years of age... should not be drinking carbonated beverages... in any form.  This should eliminate artificial sweeteners as a rational choice.


A similar concept of changing food choices can be made for elimination of low carb alternatives to cookies, breads, cakes, doe products... pasta, pizza, and the like. Recovery requires a lifestyle choice. Once we renounce carbage, we should not try to keep on eating those same foods that we did before, but totally change to new, (actually 100 year old) style of eating 3 moderate meals a day, meat and vegetable cooked at home, eaten at a table, sitting, with nothing but the plate of food, and others doing the same thing. 


That is purity radical, (misuse intended). But that is what some of us need, having gone from grossly obese to just overweight BMI.

Lifestyle choices

Elimination vs modification...
moderation vs abstinence...
sugar vs artificial sweetners...  
real food vs fake food, ei low carb equivalent, as many of Wheat Belly recipes...


Psychologically, it may be easier to completely give up, radically change rather than make minor changes of alternate and similar food.  This may also reduce the possible of sliding back. Polish Roulette, foot shooting... similar.  http://philosophyofweightmanagement.blogspot.ca/search/label/roulette

Obesity Reprograming

Changing our spiritual beliefs and core values, that is to say  our most basic of values may be necessary to overcome obesity. I had to take over the cooking in the household completely, else-wise I would get a great hot meal followed by three days of leftovers. To much sugar in everything. That was the choice. No use talking, asking, it made no difference. In fact it made the food worse. I just had to take over and do it for myself. I even had to take over the food shopping. Call that what you like, but it was not support.


There was a core value of mine that said I should not have to go that far, but that had to change. There was another core value that said I should not need to understand digestion of food, the nutrition absorption process, and how the appetite is developed from hunger, cravings, food supply as stored as fat, and the physiological and physical processes involved. Once I started to look at those areas, and the work of  W. Atwater, combined with a bit of chemistry, it became apparent that those that say a calorie is a calorie do not know any organic chemistry, and cannot separate bio-available energy from waste heat generated in a highly exothermic production of water, and the near neutral carbondioxide production.


Carbohydrate returns nearly one carbondioxide for one oxygen, while fat returns only 0.7 CO2 to one oxygen. The remainder goes into water production, along with additional water. 


Burning fat creates waste heat, and keeps us warm in winter. If we did not get that waste heat, we would need to create it, so in warm climates, humans can eat carbohydrates, while in cold regions, fat is the natural fuels. But the real difference is that once we become free of fructose and insulin, fat can be released to supply the body with energy, and appetite is much less, making staying on a food supply less that our habitual quantities is easier. Not that habitual quantities are another core value that must be changed. To reduce the insulin, we must reduce (eliminate) carbohydrates. 


This will meet with resistance, from the addict, habit, spiritual, emotional, physical, core values, intellect, ego, super ego, id, and other parts of us. Each part of us must be sold the idea, or convinced of the need for change, and never returning to the old ways. Perseverance is the only way to become completely convinced. To unlearn the old ideas, and learn new concepts that a more correct, or just more useful than the old concepts. We all harbour wrong concepts. We need to replace the wrong and harmful ideas.  

Future of obesity education

The issue of obesity does not fall into any one profession, but is a conglomerate falling partly into many. Many professions, medical, psychiatric, and nutrition, sociologist, psychologist, as well as religious, food sciences, all take turns at this. It is a free for all. Many of us exobese have written books. It is clear that it is not in the interest of the government, the medical industry, the pharmacy industry, Big Ag, or Big Pharma to produce a real solution to the obesity problem. We are on our own. It is up to the individual to save ourselves, to pull ourselves up by our own boot straps as it were. It is up to the individual. Each individual. Perhaps somewhere in the future, the government will get real and start to help, but until then, we are on our own. 


One of the early realizations is that we must change our thinking in radical ways, or at least what may seem radical at the first look. We are not starting in the same place and likely have different views, hence, what we need to change may be different. Persistence, perseverance, continuing to change, until sufficient change has occurred to bring about an end to the problem is required. 


We are forced to struggle against the current of advertising, marketing, the media, and time. It is not a struggle for the faint of heart, the weak of spirit, or they can grab onto a God, and blindly follow. 


What have I learned in the struggle?  It is a struggle, and we get none or little support. We can seek verbal support, and receive some verbal support, but there is always someone pushing food, everywhere.  It is not in the public interest to produce an environment that is free of temptations, sugars, eatable products, for we live in a sell sell sell world. 


Haroldism. Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk.  That is what we are in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

Exobese

http://suite101.com/article/diet-review-the-skinny-rules-by-bob-harper-a409446

“You've got to divorce yourself from the past and find a different way of living. And you can never go back,” he says, describing his rules as a complete lifestyle change that won't be easy.

This is true, but the new way of life is the question? It is only part about foods, the remainder is about life. Ultimately, what stops people? - not enough time, resources or resolve to do what is necessary? inability to find out what is necessary?


Stress, (any form, chronic, distress, social, isolation, mental, desires, delusions, beliefs, abuse, fear, trapped, best of bad solutions, etc) drive up cortisol, ghrelin, and hence hunger. 


Sharma http://newme-freshstart.blogspot.ca/2012/07/why-i-love-canada-weight-debate-edition.html

I really tried to watch this but 1:15, I could not take it any longer. A bunch of thin people arguing over obesity, and none of them clearly have a solution that can work long term. I have at least some of the solution, and know the next part of my solution, but am unwilling to do it yet. Oh well, they get paid, I do not.

I cannot figure out how to make a dollar off my solution yet, as it is about changing thinking about this problem. The obesity entrepreneur, but not yet.

If we were to put 100 exobese people in a room, could we describe a path to exobesity? 

Solutions to Obesity

How does one treat obesity?

As an engineer, I need to know what causes it, then remove the cause, is the first step.The causes can be grouped: 

1. Spiritual / belief disorders. - treatment - reprogramming.  (this is where my greatest changes have occurred) Developing the desire to overcoming - ignorance, apathy, greed,  and do something about the problem. Those who do not care cannot be helped. Some will understand and for those, I will carry on.
2. Compulsive Overeating, a behavioural addiction, (as opposed to the  atypical bulimia, anorexia). Treatment - Schwartz, OA, alternate obsession with 3 moderate meals per day, and work or live the remainder of the time.
3. Sugar Addiction, a substance addiction. (dopamine circuit) Treatment - complete abstinence. May also include fructose addition, and fruit may also need to be excluded.
4. Grain Addiction, a substance addiction. (serotonin circuit)  wheat, gluten and/or gladin, amepectin A, or carbohydrate in general - Treatment complete abstinence.
5. Over production of gehlin, chronic stress, chronic distress, chronic abuse, trapped,  ... Treatment ???
6. Over appetite stimulation - Treatment - remove all appetite stimulus... coffee, alcohol, sugar, grains, great tasting processed food, chocolate, etc. Reward theory- 
7. Cravings - Treatment - supplements as required, removal of triggers... temptation.
8. Hunger - removal of fructose, and glucose, lactose, gladen, gladin, etc, from diet, or what ever is triggering the hunger. Including leptin resistance, insulin blocking leptin signal, fructose blocking leptin signal.
9. Insulin, low blood sugars - low carb, let the liver produce the required glucose.  This includes insulin resistance/ fat locked in issues/ division of energy (Taubes, Lustig)
10. Tired - go to bed. Angry, lonely, bored, resentful, (get over it - buckup buttercup)
11. Emotional issues - Deal with it. or become a buddhist.
12. Personality issues - personality disorders -
13. lack of food knowledge - ignorance, apathy, greed
14. other physical, emotional, medical issues 

The diet that works for me is LCHF, no fruit. Low GI may work for those without insulin - hyperinsulinemia - BG issues.

Past, Present and F...

We are just back from a few days away, and it is time for a review.
It has been over one year since I started this process, an what have I learned?

Well, not what I expected. I already knew that carbohydrates were not suitable for human food in any processed form. I now know that I do not consider processed eatable products to be food, and should be banned from human food stores. These are creating a industry, sick people industry. Should I get in to it or fight against it?

I knew that wheat products were addicting, but now I know how. Likewise with sugars. Recovery means to stop considering carbohydrates as food.

The government does not have the citizens best interests at heart, they have their own re-election in front of them, and support the money system that will get them re-elected. Big Ag, big pharma, selling to the chronic miss informed people who do not have the time to sort the facts from the bull shit. It is all about the money, and keeping it flowing. No one planned this whole mess. No one can fix it, but each individual can live a Paleo template lifestyle with integrity and forethought. We can save ourselves, and those we influence.

It is difficult to go through life watching the trains head for each other, knowing that the wrecks are going to happen, having just avoided a wreck myself, and not fully recovered yet, and no body is listening. What to do? The media bull shit is loud. Noise to signal ration is large. The signal is weak, intermittent. I have dealt with this in the geotechnical engineering world my whole career, and no longer care to continue.... that is to say... teach the solution, just to be ignored.

Does one continue to rail against government nutrition recommendation ignorance, just like other forms of stupidity? Or do I just say, Oh well, and carry on looking after myself? Or does one speak out the lack of green vegetables in the convenience foods? The dis-service fast food does to the public? But as the man said," sell what the people are buying." Change must come from the consumer, and that will only happen after they need and want a change.

Stop struggling to lose weight and lose weight. Food / not food... approach, three moderate meals a day, closed kitchen other times. I just do not know. Indecision. no choice, too many choices. How does one turn this into a money generator?

the men who...

Zoe does a nice summary of 2
http://www.zoeharcombe.com/2012/06/the-men-who-made-us-fat-episode-2

This reminds me of the story about the frog in the water with a small flame under the pail.... It get hot without him noticing...

We have noticed now. We can save ourselves, and those who we influence. The remainder.... Oh well.

It is really about how to convince people the conventional wisdom is wrong.

I am away this week, in beautiful Duck Lake, Saskatchewan. (Wife's family historical  home). The local store is also the only fast food place, but the sell wonderful roaster port ribs at reasonable prices, and Chesters chicken, regular, corn breaded or crushed nut breading. Low carb is showing up all over the place, but it was peanut breading. chicken with peanut butter taste. Um. Not bad, but then this is Duck Lake, where the natives and  Métis got restless in 1885. The natives still are not in the best of humour. Oh well.

Good beef country, mostly grass fed, some winter green feed, some early winter corn for pasture, and swath grassing. Corn will not mature here, but it produces pasture for early winter. I do not know how that fits into "grass fed" but the criters east ears, leaves and stocks in that order.

The post office is closed in favour of private post office boxes. The biggest business is a pea plant, that chips to China. Main street is about half empty, but bar does well, and the local store/fast food place. Liquor store/insurance sales place does well. Yes, an odd combination. Post office/convenience store/gas pump/ bus depo/ survives, although the husband is away trucking in Alberta, where the economy is hot. The bank became the town office. It had the north wall reinforced with a used grader blade just like the one in Dog River, for those who noticed.

Two Low Carb Choices

The Last Chance Saloon in Wayne, Alberta, just east of Drumheller, Alberta has two Low Carb meals on the menu. Wow! Now, those of you who know Wayne will understand. Wayne has a population of 30. It has one business, the Last Chance Saloon, bar, dinning place. It did have a general store and a post office, but when the population dropped to 15, Canada Post pulled the post office. The old people died off and the young parting types moved in. The place is booming. There is one new house, and another under construction. In 1982 it had a community reunion long weekend, and drew 1300 people. It had been a major coal mining place. It is the a place the that banned giving horses beer at the bar. Oh well. In the days of no entertainment in the bar, it put wheels on the piano, for quick exit of the piano.

Back to the menu. It has two low carb choices on the menu. Two 4 oz burger Alberta beef paddies with salad, or two Alberta buffalo paddies from the farm on the top of the hill beyond the 11th bridge. In 6 km, there are 11 bridges on this piece of road. 10 of those are one lane... yield to oncoming traffic... wood plank decks... numbered... all on a meandering creek.

John Wayne shot several moves in the gullies above Wayne. It has camping for 1300 people. A summer hotspot. With nothing but a old bar, that is known to sell beer in Mason jars. Water always comes in Mason Jars. Apparently the last owner left the basement half full of them. The places has still parts on the wall, along with coal mining equipment from the 1930's. Good burgers also, but buffalo is usually good.

Appetite Reduction

Eat fruit and get hungry. No fruit, no appetite. The choice for weight loss is apparent.

But why is there such a loss of appetite with removal of fruit? Fat cell equilibrium only explains the numbers.

Could it be as simple as fruit is an appetite stimulus? Along with sugars, grains, carbohydrate in general? A survival method developed in prehistory?

fruit and hunger

Zero fruit, and no hungry. I suffered hunger for 63 years, all because I was eating fruit and thinking it was good for me. The government and nutrition experts, and several doctors do not know what they are talking about. They learned what was basically wrong. Fruit is a appetite stimulus. To bad. Fruit is no longer food.