Thursday, April 17, 2014

obesity recovery crudely 4 issues

Sharma pointed the way to this video

1 & 2, Eat less, move more, OK, but how do we do that?

3 Motivation, how does one motivate oneself 24/7 against our prevailing society, culture and environment. We like and need food (genetic, inbred, ingrained, instinctive survival) and society pushes food. We need to always make the proper choices, not what industry tells us is healthy. So what is the proper choices for me?

4 Coping with life, or a replacements for the relief eating provides. Overeating is a maladaptive behavior, or one conducted as a soother for life.   Insulin and high blood glucose is a  sedative. So when we take away the food, how do we learn coping methods for skills we obese do not have, and the thin do not understand their methods?

So this is a psychological problem. Back in 2004 or so, I tried getting more help (information, understanding, whatever) for this near life long obesity issue from Weight Wise, Dr. Sharma's organization. I was 158 kg at the weigh in.  Soon then provided a list of suggested psychologists, of which there was only one dealing with weight issues and available.  When I went to the first appointment, she was bigger than I, and was a fruitcake. I paid my $150, and left to never return.

Then when I got on a role and eliminated wheat, (sugar was already gone) and was busy losing weight, they through me out of their program for non-compliance, hence my opinion of the good doctor.

Solving step 3 and 4 are the solution to the psychological side of the issue, but the physical side includes learning to live with ongoing hunger, cravings, angst, what ever this physical feeling is, and the doctors do not have the answer. So much for the medical community. It is beyond there knowledge, but there is good money in studying the problem.

Thursday, April 10, 2014

Oz and others

got me going. Homeopaths are professionals. Is anyone an expert?

Having looked at the research on diet, foods, obesity, diabetics and statins, I will say say that the medical community need to do a bit of housecleaning before is can separate experts from professionals. The doctors do not have 100% correct proven information and then there are the medical treatment guidelines to screw the issue further.

By professionals, I mean people who make their living from there skills, and by experts, I mean people who know everything about their thin wedge of area. The problem is that most human subjects are beyond any one's area of expertise.

Oz is a professional entertainer, and was a professional doctor. He presents people and information, some of which is wrong, but it is up to the audience to sort out fact from fiction. If not Oz, replace with anyone, all is opinion anyway.

The medical community understands that the money is in the treatment, not curing all the problems and identifying all the causes in a way that is useful in avoiding the problems. Just cure the ones that we have real cures for, and treat the remainder for cash or research and hope a cures is found.

But what do I know.

Wednesday, April 9, 2014

Science Quality

When I was taking a course in marketing many years ago the instructor said something like this, " Make the plan look nice for the bank. It does not matter if it is totally right, but if it looks good, nobody will question the study."

Two things first, my mind is failing me, and the symbols used today in statics are not the same as they were. I do not know if it is an industry thing or time.  

In the following study, look at the scanter of the data on the last graphs where the data is plotted (page 5). and note the statement. (49% cross-block covariance; P = .004) where P is the probability that hypothesis is wrong.  Something does not compute there. Is the P value reported for the line or the data?

This type of study should be a cross over design with a wash out period between to mean anything.

Also not that this are a small groups but it does not say how the people were selected and assigned to the groups. Prescreening for favorable response? also it was funded by Danone Research.

It don't matter what they say, I sill am not gonna eat rotten dairy products.

In statistical significance testing, the p-value is the probability of obtaining a test statistic at least as extreme as the one that was actually observed, assuming that the null hypothesis is true.[1][2] A researcher will often "reject the null hypothesis" when the p-value turns out to be less than a certain significance level, often 0.05[3][4] or 0.01.

ref  bad logic

Monday, April 7, 2014

Disordered Eaters

Disordered eaters are people who nibble, pick, binge and fast, snack all day rather than three moderate meals each day. The most difficult thing for a recovering overeater, who must generally live on three moderate meals each day, living to live with a 24/7 snacker. There is always food out, exposed for temptation. Visual food cues are the most terrible things. There is no solution, it is a learn to endure situation. Or leave, what other choice is there? Talking to this individual is not helpful, never has been, and is not worth the blow back.

Wednesday, March 19, 2014

Where does the urge to eat come from?

Valerie got me thinking, where does the urge to eat come from, and how do I separate these urges from one another. Not everyone will call these the same thing. First get the grain, and sugar out of our diets. These are big issues for many people.

First the gut hunger, real hunger should occur 5 or 6 hours after the last moderate lower carb meal, or in the morning.  Just add a bit of fat, oil to abate 1 to 2 hours, or another low carb meal and it disappears for another 5 to 6 hours or overnight.  These are felt in the gut, it is true hunger.

But if that hunger appears 1 to 2 hours after a meal, not so low carb, then we have a likely blood glucose issue, not real hunger. Add a bit of fat or oil and tough it out (shangri la diet, Atkins advise). We may be suffering from an overshot of insulin (natural or otherwise). Insulin's first job is to lock all fat away, then stop glycogenenis, glyconeogenenis, then to help glucose into cells, out of the blood. If we overproduce insulin, we can run a bit low of blood glucose or on the low side of normal, or just rapid decrease. All future meals should contain less carbohydrates, but there is also a speed of digestion/absorption issue there. After two or three days of lower carb, this type of hunger dissipates.

There are also a number of chemical responses that can simulate physical gut hunger, most also will reduce as we get our carbohydrates down. Digestion resistant carbohydrates, potato starch, some fibers, some raw vegetables (brassica) and the like are slower to digest, and require different gut fauna.

Now the other types of cravings, which are not in the gut, but in the neck or elsewhere. The physical craving occurs before any though of food.  The order of occurrence of these two, physical carving, a feeling, and thought tells a bit of the story, especially if we add what was going on just before the feeling arose.

If any emotion, or feeling, stress, act, or other mental image occurred, then we could be dealing with a maladaptive response, often learned in childhood, to some situation, place, or thing. These are cues, and the response hides in the unconscious memory. Deal, as an adult with the problem, feeling, and do not eat. If it is in the unconscious memory, it will never be trained over; do it just once, and the problem will be back, as strong as it was before. We can only lay down new unconscious memory, not erase old.

If the idea come first, I could eat . . . , I could have  . . . , then the idea is coming first, and that is a different problem, desire lead issue. These may be from baiting, temptations, torpor, boredom, inactivity, . . . , a different group of causes. Keeping busy may help, but we do get tired, especially as we age. Now we run out of desire to do, before we run out of day, or food desire. Now what?

Some of the difficulty is there are no clear definitions for many of these food related issues. Consider food addiction, eating disorders, compulsive eating, and the other host of terms. But what part comes first, the impulse, craving, desire, judgement, the opinion, suggestion, reaction, habit, on natural response to the presentation of food (cue, bait, tempt, advertisement, improper offer, Yettie), ?

We need salt, trace amounts of particular carbohydrates found in leaves and stems, fish a couple of times a week, about 1 gm/kg lean body mass of protein, and the remainder of our food should be fat to address hunger issues. But non of this addresses desire issues for food.


Monday, March 17, 2014

How does one quench food desires?

For the last bit I have been studying food desires. It seems the advertising and marketing people know a lot about building desires, for food, for new cars, for lot of unnecessary stuff. No body is taking about reducing desires.  Desires can be grouped firstly into natural and unnatural desires. The naturals can further be divided into necessary and unnecessary desires. We can add to that natural necessary but excessive desires. The unnatural are all driven by chemicals or human marketing, mainly chemical, alcohol, tobacco, opioids, and the like. These are all unnecessary. Some will argue that there are unnatural but necessary like communication electronics, and other consumer driven goods. These are not my problem; so I say "whatever"  to that.

Now back to the foods, natural, but excessive. Our whole culture is about sugar and acellular carbohydrates. these are unnatural and unnecessary, and are not even foods. But what about excessive amounts of health foods, natural foods? It is not hunger, not craving, but desire for more food that seems to be driving me. I have eliminate hunger, food addiction (sugars, wheat), compulsion, obsession, maladaptive eating, emotional eating, stress eating, so what is left? Excess desire. So how does one deal with a active desire?

Modern culture says fulfill the desire. Wrong, that leads to obesity. The modern culture is screwed for a lack of a better word. Some are making the adjustment without understanding what that adjustment actually is. For other, just getting off the sugar, wheat, processed food is enough. But for some of us, off of those is a good start, but it is still not enough.

Food desires are hedonic and terminal, making them bad to resist. In addition, we are hardwired to want food, but what if that hard-wiring is a bit to strong? 

How do you displace your desires?

"Balanced diets"

got me going with what is a balanced diet again. Balanced implies two equal or something along that line. The word balanced is a red herring or a misnomer until some one can show me what balanced means in diet. It is just one more modifier that sounds nice and is meaningless. Anyone who uses balanced and does not explain what it means is just beating their gums, and does not deserve any attention.

But I agree with the post, low fat just does not work. There is one more issue also, and that is fat deficiency drives hunger and cravings. If it works for you, good luck with that. It is not my place to tell anyone how to live; I do not know myself, but I am making gains, I think.

Now I must go do the work of a retired person, what ever that might be.

Wednesday, March 12, 2014

Naturally thin People

Naturally thin people. like SG, and many other may be "unable to generate any hedonic terminal desire for food."

OK, so what does that mean?

One of the reasons that obese people eat is due to excessive "hedonic terminal desire for food." OK, we eat because we desire food, and hedonic (we like food) terminal (immediate reward) desire is greater than any non-terminal - non-hedonic desire to be thin.

By the way, will power does not impact on hedonic terminal desires, according to Irving, and that seems likely.

So we have dueling desires, the strongest will win. All we need to do is let go of all desires, especially to eat food. The Stoics have a technique, a bit of philosophy, a bit of practice, and we will see if it works.

Our culture, families, environment, and the like are all a bunch of abusive food pushers. We are screwed unless we get tough enough to avoid all contact or become able to not eat at a smorgasbord.
I am about ready to move into a whole in the woods to get away from all the pressure to eat.  

Does anyone have a good long term solution?

Tuesday, March 4, 2014


Somebody does not know the difference between carbohydrate and fat.

Cause vs contributing factor.

Saturday, February 15, 2014

Food Cravings 4

Are food cravings desires that have gotten out of hand?

So how does one control desires.

The stoics have a concept of discipline of desires. Stop the representation or impression before it becomes a desire by a judgement-value or opinion.... what?

In other words, it is not omega 6 oil, its is lubricant, not for internal use.
It is not sugar, but white poison.
It is not grain, but pig food.
It does not look good, but looks like fat bait, or fat rat bait. or whatever ugly term your mind can up with. A part of the corpse of an animal, the root of a plant, a tuber... a growth of starch on the root of a plant.

Any ideas any one?

Tuesday, February 11, 2014

Resistance Starch

I have been playing around with and reading about resistance starch for a bit now.

  1. It does have a impact on keeping blood glucose from spiking as high.
  2. I am classes as pre-diabetic, with the odd morning at the bottom end of diabetic, (6.9 to 7.2) after a night out, usually involved a late big meal...
  3. So do a few (100-150 gms) partly cooked potatoes.
  4. The cause is likely is growth of bacteria in the gut that convert starches to short chained fats. The bacteria act as seed for the next meal. Cabbage and onions have the effect. These are the chosen foods of nitrogen producing bacteria, that also produce short fats.
  5. Potatoes are a lot more tasty. They do not soak up near the amount of fat.
  6. Potato starch may be useful for making a few sauces or gravy, for the few times I might do that. 
  7. Potatoes do not make me hungry in 2 hours, unlike seeds of grasses.

Friday, February 7, 2014

ignorance vs sarcasm, vs The Real Problem

Stephan Guyenet ,,

all got me thinking about the real problem:

"But the show doesn't address the reasons why people like me are so obsessed and addicted to eating excess amounts of food; it doesn't get to the root of the problem."

and the solution.

Understanding my problem did not lead to a solution, but it did suggest a partial solution, now all I  need to do is complete this N=1, and see if it works enough to talk about it.  That solution does not include helping others to understand the problem. Many others are looking in the wrong place to find a solution to my problem. Perhaps they can help others. Oh, well,  life goes on. I am done with comments on others blogs. It is all just noise anyway.

My life, as a youth was rough for me. Isolation, harassment, abuse, forced religion abuse, or being ignored - shunned, but there was always food. My life was unmanageable by me. Along the way I discovered I could numb out with food, and I made a conscious decision to eat myself to death, for several reasons. The environment was suitable for such an action. A horse can founder on oats, I should be able to do the same. Simple suicidal idealizations. Oh well.

Numbing is caused by blood sugar high, as well as exdorphins, exocannopioids, and other chemical processes. My weight more than doubled in two years, I was 200 pounds by 10. The numbing allowed me to get enough respite to continue. I developed sociopaths, narcissistic, as well as antisocial characteristics, and learned to be comfortable with myself, by myself. I survived. I also developed what I know now is a dependance on overeating, it was a maladaptive eating behavior.

Food addiction, insulin resistance, obsessive-compulsive eating, hyper-palatable cooking, sugar addiction, wheat addiction, dairy addiction, eating disorders, disordered eating, lack of mindfulness, cravings, psychological cravings, physiological cravings, lack of satiation signal, lack of satiety, leptin signaling loss or blocking, leptin, vitamin and mineral deficiencies, and all those other names   ... what ever these things really are, all appeared, but I survived. You PHD cannot agree among yourselves. What hope do we poorly educated  mere mortals have?

Then I escaped that environment, discovered smoking, drugs, booze, work, and all those other bad habits, but I survived thus far.

There are no recovery programs for this, it is survival of the specimen. Along the way I got a bit of educations, and learned a few things. Although I still have a weight problem, it is not what it was. It is apparent to me that this might be a subconscious / unconscious mind problem; it is in control too much of the time, and the directing mind is unable to remain on top of it enough. Who know about this? I have turned to the Stoics with the discipline of judgement, desire, and impulse for remedy. They knew as much 2000-2500 years ago, about my problem, as science does today. 

Enough rant. Enough experts. Enough listening. It is all just bullshit anyway.         

Thursday, February 6, 2014

ignorance vs sarcasm

He has missed three big problems.

  • Sticking to a diet that causes cravings, and that is less then our fellows.
  • Cravings, some caused by the available foods.
  • The science is wrong. Atwater through out half of his data, because "it must be wrong, it has such wide scanter".  But the average is about right, but 50% of the population do not follow the average.
Bill Gates walks into a bar. On average, everyone in the bar is a millionaire. So how come I do not have the money to buy a drink? What is wrong with this picture Mr. PHD?

And I am banned off his comments list, oh well.

and is low carb having an effect?

Tuesday, February 4, 2014

Food cravings 3

Do food cravings lie in unconscious memory? More?

Is compulsive eating a function of unconscious memory? 

and thinking make it so.

Tuesday, January 28, 2014

Food Cravings 2

It is now my opinion that craving is the "modern natural default condition". The only variation is what we are craving. We are being trained to want "stuff" and to fulfill those desires. Before WWII the traditional training in to suppress the desires, at least when possible. Reading the Stoics, and various historic family records, a pent up desire of some kind seems to be the driving force behind so many of my ancestors, some achieved and satisfied those desires, some did not.

Often the desire was more education, more knowledge, and as I look back on my life, that to was present and active. The difficulty I had was making a great deal of money off my knowledge. I wanted to do the work, not get a bunch of half-twits and heard cats. Anyone who has run a technical knowledge based business will know exactly what I mean. At a result, I made a living, and did not get rich, but also had time to learn much, and was professionally competent in my little area of expertise. (geotechnical materials; much math, statistics, testing, measurement, analysis of soils, foundations, concrete, asphalt, and related materials, including industrial and human waste, geotextile design and applications, and forensic analysis of any of the above)

Anyway, back to cravings. There are a number broad sources or causes, environmental, physiological, psychological, and philosophical. I use philosophical here at a personal level, almost psychological level, much as the old stoics did. One idea can eliminate a whole bunch of crap. We have been trained by our culture to crave, and satisfy the cravings. Do you remember hearing of the through away society in the late 60's?  The stoics acknowledged the cravings, and did what reason told them was right. Getting the knowledge that they were right, and virtue was on there side, gave them the passion to overcome desire. "I did everything right, the fault must lie elsewhere"... type of attitude. It is human nature to crave. Learning to direct the passion, the motivation to action, may be the method of overcoming desires. This is similar to keeping so busy that I do not have time to eat.

But what do I know?