Olive oil

good olive oils
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/oliveoil.html
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/681538

Fats & Fatty Acids

Amounts Per Selected Serving

%DV

Total Fat

100

g

154%

Saturated Fat

13.8

g

69%

4:00

0.0

mg

6:00

0.0

mg

8:00

0.0

mg

10:00

0.0

mg

12:00

0.0

mg

13:00

~

14:00

0.0

mg

15:00

~

16:00

11289

mg

17:00

22.0

mg

18:00

1953

mg

19:00

~

20:00

414

mg

22:00

129

mg

24:00:00

0.0

mg

Monounsaturated Fat

73.0

g

14:01

0.0

mg

15:01

~

16:1 undifferentiated

1255

mg

16:1 c

~

16:1 t

~

17:01

125

mg

18:1 undifferentiated

71265

mg

18:1 c

~

18:1 t

~

20:01

311

mg

22:1 undifferentiated

0.0

mg

22:1 c

~

22:1 t

~

24:1 c

~

Polyunsaturated Fat

10.5

g

16:2 undifferentiated

~

18:2 undifferentiated

9763

mg

18:2 n-6 c,c

~

18:2 c,t

~

18:2 t,c

~

18:2 t,t

~

18:2 i

~

18:2 t not further defined

~

18:03

761

mg

18:3 n-3, c,c,c

~

18:3 n-6, c,c,c

~

18:4 undifferentiated

0.0

mg

20:2 n-6 c,c

~

20:3 undifferentiated

~

20:3 n-3

~

20:3 n-6

~

20:4 undifferentiated

0.0

mg

20:4 n-3

~

20:4 n-6

~

20:5 n-3

0.0

mg

22:02

~

22:5 n-3

0.0

mg

22:6 n-3

0.0

mg

Total trans fatty acids

~

Total trans-monoenoic fatty acids

~

Total trans-polyenoic fatty acids

~

Total Omega-3 fatty acids

761

mg

Total Omega-6 fatty acids

9763

mg

Read More http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fats-and-oils/509/2#ixzz1sv5o4BIf


Now Canola
Fats & Fatty Acids

Amounts Per Selected Serving

%DV

Total Fat

100

g

154%

Saturated Fat

7.4

g

37%

4:00

0.0

mg

6:00

0.0

mg

8:00

0.0

mg

10:00

0.0

mg

12:00

0.0

mg

13:00

~

14:00

0.0

mg

15:00

0.0

mg

16:00

4298

mg

17:00

0.0

mg

18:00

2087

mg

19:00

~

20:00

650

mg

22:00

330

mg

24:00:00

~

Monounsaturated Fat

63.3

g

14:01

0.0

mg

15:01

0.0

mg

16:1 undifferentiated

214

mg

16:1 c

~

16:1 t

~

17:01

0.0

mg

18:1 undifferentiated

61752

mg

18:1 c

61713

mg

18:1 t

30.0

mg

20:01

1317

mg

22:1 undifferentiated

0.0

mg

22:1 c

~

22:1 t

~

24:1 c

~

Polyunsaturated Fat

28.1

g

16:2 undifferentiated

~

18:2 undifferentiated

19008

mg

18:2 n-6 c,c

18639

mg

18:2 c,t

~

18:2 t,c

~

18:2 t,t

365

mg

18:2 i

~

18:2 t not further defined

~

18:03

9138

mg

18:3 n-3, c,c,c

9138

mg

18:3 n-6, c,c,c

0.0

mg

18:4 undifferentiated

0.0

mg

20:2 n-6 c,c

0.0

mg

20:3 undifferentiated

0.0

mg

20:3 n-3

~

20:3 n-6

~

20:4 undifferentiated

0.0

mg

20:4 n-3

~

20:4 n-6

~

20:5 n-3

0.0

mg

22:02

~

22:5 n-3

0.0

mg

22:6 n-3

0.0

mg

Total trans fatty acids

0.4

g

Total trans-monoenoic fatty acids

0.0

g

Total trans-polyenoic fatty acids

0.4

g

Total Omega-3 fatty acids

9138

mg

Total Omega-6 fatty acids

18645

mg

Read More http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fats-and-oils/621/2#ixzz1sv6L18EV

O3/O6 ~~ 1:2, unlike olive oils 1:12

Secondly, I like dislike the taste of canola less than the taste of olive oil.

The Paleo religion thinks that nothing in the last 10,000 is any good. What do they object to, other than modern.

Food grade canola oil is centrifuge pressed in a massive centrifuge, not chemically extracted.  The one that I designed the foundation for had 35Kip rotor operating at 3450 rpm, with maximum 1 kip unbalanced load at 24 inches off center. That will shake a the 100 kip machine and 1400 kip base and battered pile base. The oil just flows out, and is shipped to a bottling plant that also bottles other products.  The mash is chemically rinsed for the chemical grade products. No one would eat the chemical grade stuff: it has a gray color, that does not come out cheaply. The quantity of canola oil used for food is small compared to total production.

The only down side to Canola may be traces of chemicals, but what about olives? are they grown without chemicals?

And none of the readily available olive oil is considered good. I am not about to go into down town Edmonton in search of olive oil.

My ancestors, that I remember from my youth did not have major weight issues; however, it was a concern. I come from long generations, of rural living, farming tradition families. Both of my grandfathers were massive men in their youth, 6'4 and 6'5, and an axle handle wide at the shoulders. My grandmothers were both smallish ladies, 5'4 or there about. On their wedding photos, they look like dwarfs. adjacent.

But I have always had a sever weight problem, always food issues. Some were learned behaviors, and some seem to physical/chemical issues.

enough said?

Oiling the gut

Oiling the gut as per Shangri La seem to delay the onset of hunger. Let me make this clear, it does not increase satiation noticeably, but allows me to go longer between eating without hunger. Once hunger is there, look out, it is too late.

This is a N=1 experiment only that I have been try in the past 5 days. I have been mixing canola oil and a bit of honey as an emulsifying agent with water and drinking it down, as gross as it is. About a table spoon of oil, 15 grams, and a glob of honey with 3/4 liter of water, ice chips, and shake well. Old one kg peanut butter jar, just because it was there. I have been having a big slug, ever 3-2 hours, with small oil rich meals.

I think that Seth Roberts has an incomplete explanation as to why it works. First, is it often said that hunger is a gut physical sensation, and that bit of oil may provide a first pass effect, feeding the gut. It does seem to change that active hunger, and ease the amount of food required for satiation a bit, but only if I eat before I get hungry. I am also trying a shot before meals, when practical.

The energy level is much higher on oil than before. My normal diet is a low carb calorie restricted diet, even to maintain weight, as I will overeat on anything. I expect that nature did not want us to be high energy and using body fat only. That would not be prudent. Slow release of saturated fat may be the energy governor. I can be still high energy when required, but the motivation required must be much more extreme. Yet walking at a slow/reasonable pace does not require pushing myself.

This oiling may also be speeding ketone production, or just provide more oil to be converted to ketones. The mono and pufa oils are not used for fat production, according to LR. Vanderhaeghe et al., but she thing saturated fat causes obesity, so it is not a trusted source. It is saturated fat, but it is the saturated fat that we make that is the big source. I do think that she may be right, where we were eating low carb and getting fat, however rare that might be.

Hunger research

Does oil effect hunger in a significant way?

Paleo is against any form of seed oil intake, but when I went "paleo" my weight loss stabilized. I was ready for it at that time, but over the last 2 years I have gained a bunch and am always hungry. I ate two eggs fired in Canola oil, a side salad with dressing for lunch, late afternoon, sardines in soy oil, or tuna, or salmon can, and then supper, meat with salad, cabbage, with dressing, and was not  to hungry. That diet did not have much variation,  but it worked. Is it the oil?

Now a dab of oil would feed the digestive track first. Is it the first pass effect that keeps hunger at bay?

Note on Shangri la by Steven Parker, re: Evelyn Tribole, M.S., R.D

The aforementioned article brought to my attention by Evelyn Tribole suggests how olive oil and other unsaturated fats could curb hunger. Oleic acid, a prominent monounsaturated fatty acid in olive oil, is transformed into oleoylethanolamide (OEA) in the small intestine. OEA then activates a brain circuit that gives you a feeling of fullness, reducing appetite, and potentially promoting weight loss. 

It is more about keeping hunger at bay then fullness.




Shangri la diet, Seth Roberts, comment by 3FC, This diet might work for the 6% of overweight people that overeat due to true, physical hunger, and are open to the idea that they can suppress their appetites through oil or sugar water.

Could I be part of that 6%?

Day one of the test today.

What Causes excess hunger?

Remaining hungry, needing to be hungry to loss weight, or even to maintain weight loss is not really practical long term, but that is what I am faced with.

We have heard at length how to live with low calories, low fat but nobody talks about over coming hunger.

We have heard how it may be gut bacteria, running low on energy through energy locked in due to insulin, how it may be brain chemistry, temptation, one of the phases of insulin, yet I am able to go a few days without hunger, and in extreme cut periods, it is less of an issue. If I am busy, although being hungry, I am more able to not eat.

I have explored sugar issues, grains, dairy, eggs, starches, Omega 6 oils, fasting, eat everything concepts, and have still found no solutions.

Perhaps it is time to explore the mind as a solution. Sitting, in a hungry state, has been suggested by a eastern grue, and watching the hunger. That is pure torture. Mono meals, one food only has been suggested, but "I can't get no satisfaction." Perhaps it is too weak of satiety signal. Is there any food that boost the signal?

Dr, Jay suggests it is dopamine issue. There is no available treatment.

I have tried supplements, and some had perhaps minor effects. Phen-fen worked for a three day on, 4 day off cycle, but it is not available and dangerous. But even that danger was likely better than the alternative of obesity or starving.

Low carb helps, but even without carb creep, the hunger is there, getting worse each day, each month, each year. And the medical community has no solutions, other than mutilation, and then only about 25 percent keep the weight off.

There is something I am missing, but then I have been obese all my life, losing or gaining, never stable.

It's not just food science

It's not just food science that has issues:

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/scicurious-brain/2012/04/18/small-terms-make-a-big-difference-how-the-ny-times-misinterpreted-a-new-cocaine-study/

Diet Glasses

http://www.dietdoctor.com/the-diet-glasses

The diet glasses seem to suggest that our food volume consumption is about 10% based on our perception of the volume. Now we all know that 10% is a big number in food intake, and will make a big difference in our weight. The psychological component of food intake is a factor obesity.

We can divide the obesity in physical food issues and psychological issues.

DUH

http://blogs.plos.org/obesitypanacea/2012/04/12/is-fat-gain-a-problem-or-solution

Since Taubes GCBC, we have know that getting fat is the body's response to the SAD. Now is that getting into the researchers sights?

One of the solutions is to drift toward some form of Paleo, Paleo template, real food diet. That by it's self may not be enough, some form of mental clearing of the built up bull shit piled on by media, medical disinformation, misdirection, may also be required. Dispelling all the collective super-ego concepts is also helpful. Those are the ideas and concepts that guide us, imposed by society that knows less than I do about food and the issues overeating, obesity, and related similar subjects. 

Motivation

Motivation is required to lose weight. We need to "buy in" at the emotional level, know the why at an emotional level, or deeper. Some say that we need to "believe the why" to maintain motivation, and that why must be very dear to us. In a way that makes scene, as to lose weight required more motivation that our body's desires to eat.  Enough motivation to overcome primordial urges. OK.

Those who do not acknowledge this basic fact have never worked through a substantial weight loss. Weight loss changes our interests, ever personality. Ask Jimmy, Micheal, or any of those other 100 pound plus losses if they are the same person as before. Perhaps, the change must come first, I do not know.

Spiritual level is even deeper than the emotional level, hence this may be the solution. That is to say that it is required to have a belief that we can and should be about normal weight. Carnegie refereed to these an noble motives. At the same time, we need to note that emotions are part of our ego, so beware of ego building.

When we consider Maslow's proiority, food is a basic, but survival trumps that.

How do our spiritual beliefs tie into all this? I an not sure, but that is one more in the list of contributing factors in diet, or one of the multiple causes of obesity.

State the obvious / notes from about

The Best Eating and Exercise Plan for YOU is the One You Can Followhttp://www.kriskris.com/the-best-eating-plan-for-you/

and there in lies my problem.

I crave food, am addicted to foods, get hungry, and unable to eat at such a level to lose all excess weight, and keep it off. I am down a long ways, but still have issues.
Low Carb helps, but I get hungry, and the only way I can lose weight is to be hungry before every meal, go to bed hungry, wake up hungry, and eat small metered low carb meals. Dairy and fruit make me hungry than I was to start. So what is the solution? Sugar, grain, and seed oils have long been out of my diet, because they made me ravenous.


Sharma is fattening rats at http://www.drsharma.ca/impact-of-high-fat-diet-on-fetal-development.html on HF rat food.

"Rat chow": A diet of standard lab rat food, 16.7% fat, 26.8% protein, 56.4% carbohydrate (6.5% sucrose)
"High fat": 45% fat, 24% protein, 35% carbohydrate (17% sucrose) -

 yes, note the sucrose, and the fat typically is Crisco hydrogenated, and using this as evidence against HFLC. Poor Sharma, I feel sorry for his clients/patients, but then he is into mutilation of the digestive tract as treatment.

Beth at http://weightmaven.org/2012/04/06/almost-an-addict/ takes another look at food addiction. But I know that I am addicted, Mark Lewis, Robert Lustig, Gabor Maté describe it well enough. Those of us that have real issues likely have more than one problem. Perhaps something stimulating hunger like symptoms as well. Some bacteria perhaps, as antibiotics seem to reduce hunger. I do not know.   

There has always been a few obese throughout history, perhaps 1 to 2 %. Now add, insulin resistance/diabetes, food addiction, combined may explain it. and now cheap sugar, grains, ever present fruit,  processed ever present good tasting food, TV, refrigeration, electricity doing all the work, inactivity, the collective media/medical ignorance of the food science, as it relates to weight loss.  

Change in the way I think is the only solution I see, short of termination or just walking away and eating myself to death. But then, I am just a spirit having a human experience for the first time.

and then we have a wild idea   http://sciencenordic.com/new-theory-co2-makes-you-fat  a correlation at least, but any pollutant would work, even herbicide, petrochemicals.  

Pink Slime

Pink Slime -- yes--, I can do something about it. I have decided no more processed food unless I processed (or could) it in my own kitchen.

Ultimately, mindfulness of food suggests a bunch of questions. The first one can be " is this real food?" -- as opposed to fake food. I do not have a issue with eating sawdust or dirt, so if I do not consider it food, why would I eat it.

Processed meat is satisfying in the short term, but I get hungry quickly, possible due to induced high short blood sugar, which results in a sag at 1 - 1 1/2 hours. It may be a insulinogenic, like dairy products.

I think I will just put this stuff on the not food list. It is all about what we think, for thinking drives actions.

Psychology and weight control

The psychology of weight control/weight loss has a big impact on a subset of us obese/exobese, self included. When I started this recent round of efforts (2008), The Alberta Health Services Weight Wise Program (Dr. Sharma) referred me to a psychologist, at my expense, who was larger than I was. I was about 160 kg at the time. She was actively in the throws of compulsive eating, or binge eating, or what ever. She munched on trail mix sort of stuff for that 50 minutes. I concluded that, even at that time, I knew more than she did about the problem, my problem. Yes, that is ego, but it is about right.

The approaches vary widely, but they do not have much success. Cognitive behavior therapy- self esteem building, humility building, some form of ego modification is all they can offer, if the client has deep pockets.

The eastern approach of 'dissolving' ego thought the spiritual approach, seems to help. This is what OA also dabbles in, well more like humility development ego modification. That program does not have a clear understanding of how their program works, when it works.

The 12 steps a blunt instrument for this purpose, but effective for some. It seems that substantial spiritual development is required for many. For some that recover, leaving their addiction food out is enough. These have good success in OA, but some of us also battle hyperinsulinemia, prediabetes, diabetes, dopamine issues, opioid production, food reward and other issues, as well as glucose/insulin fat storage issues.

Where is this going? I do not know. I will start from a position of do not know.